Craig Schuftan

The Culture Club - Interview

About The Culture Club - interview answers given to 3D World magazine in 2007.




5 years of research, 6 months of procrastinating and 9 months of furious writing, during which time I became an almost complete recluse and my kitchen table disappeared under a pile of paper.




I tried ordering the chapters in a more ‘chronological’ way, but wasn’t really happy with it. In the end, I just cut up some little pieces of paper with things written on them like ‘futurism’, ‘loops’, ‘artaud’ and ‘prince’ and moved them around on the carpet at my house until the sequence started to feel good. In a lot of cases, I wasn’t even sure if the two things had much to do with each other, but a lot of the fun of writing the book came from the realisation that in almost every case, they did. I like the flow of the book, because it reminds me a bit of a DJ set, or playing songs for someone off your ipod. You might not even know why you chose to play that song after the one that preceded it, but chances are, if you look hard enough – there’s a reason.




I do think it’s often overlooked, or if it’s mentioned it’s only ever in passing, so I liked the idea of bringing those connections into sharper focus with the book. But I also feel very strongly that rock and dance music have taken those ideas from the European avant-garde and made them a part of people’s everyday lives in a way that the Modernists never really did. For example, while I’ve tried to show in the book the way the Futurist composer Luigi Russolo anticipated, in many ways, the music of Public Enemy, The Chemical Brothers and Diplo – I also know who I’d rather listen to! John Cage was making music with turntables years before Elvis Presley picked up a guitar, but the difference between a bunch of curious but confused people tuning in to Cage’s Imaginary Landscape and a couple of thousand punters jumping up and down to Kid Koala at the Meredith Music Festival is enormous.




A lot of it came from the radio segment, but the segment is very short, so I really enjoyed the opportunity I had with the book to stretch out a bit and dig a bit deeper into the histories of all these artists and movements. Also, radio’s very ephemeral – you do it and it’s gone, and next week you do something else. But I’ve been feeling for a few years that it would be great to put all of these stories together in one volume and see if they told a bigger story – and I really think they do.




I’ve tried to chart the history of noise in music, which goes back to the Futurists in 1910, and Russolo’s frustrated attempts to bring the racket of modern life into the concert hall. From there, the book moves on to Pierre Schaeffer’s discovery of the loop or ‘closed groove’ in 1948, a discovery that led him to realise that it was now within a composer’s means to treat any kind of noise or sound as music. What’s amazing to me is that this is an idea that many of us now take entirely for granted. Claude Von Stroke’s The Whistler or Dizzee Rascal’s Fix Up have almost no actual music in them as a person from 1948 would understand the term, but because we listen to loops all the time now, we’ve all become little Pierre Schaeffers. We still listen for melody, but we also listen for noise, and enjoy noise in a ‘musical’ way.




Brad and I had a number of ‘Crafternoons’, sitting at the lunch table at triple j, cutting pictures out of photocopies from art books and old Rolling Stone magazines and generally making a mess with scissors, glue and textas. A lot of these improvisations found their way into finished pictures, but a lot of them are just Brad’s unique take on the ideas in the book. My favourite, I think is the one he did for the chapter on John Cage’s 4’33”. How do you make a picture of a silence? Brad came up with this great image of a white cube surrounded by a bunch of wiggly lines of noise. It perfectly sums up the idea of the piece as a frame, a quiet space in which sounds will inevitably happen.




Well, I liked finding out that the ideas of the French painter Marcel Duchamp could be used to explain hip-hop and dance music production for people who think it’s not proper music. A lot of people take the line that because dance music is made with machines, loops and, most troublesome of all, bits of other people’s music, the dance music producer is not a real artist. But Duchamp realised in 1913 that the experience of art has almost nothing to do with the intentions of the artist or how much work the artist puts into his work. He set out to prove the point by trying to exhibit a store-bought porcelain urinal in an art show. Duchamp was having a go at a peculiarly European idea of genius and individual self-expression, which a lot of people (myself included, I have to admit) are still pretty strongly attached to.




I suppose I’d love it if this book got people thinking and talking about art in a different way – not as something that just goes on at blockbuster shows in big galleries or gets written about in obscure academic journals, but as something with the power to change everyday life – even if it’s only in small ways. A month or so ago I was reading through this great book of Yoko Ono artworks called ‘Grapefruit’. There’s a thing in there called pea piece – all you have to do in order to realise the work is to take a bag of peas with you and leave a pea wherever you go. It’s a great thing to do – it gets you looking at your surroundings in an entirely fresh way, it changes your relationship to the people around you (by which I mean they’ll think you’ve lost your mind – but that’s ok), and you feel like you’re doing something really naughty and subversive even though you’re just leaving peas around the place. It only cost me the price of a bag of peas, and I can’t remember the last time I had that much fun in a nightclub.


part 1 fear and loathing marina and the diamonds 2

Actually My Name's Marina

"What the audience demands of the artist - really demands, in its unconscious desire - and what the artist thinks it ought to be given... [is] the same thing: the sentiment of being. The sentiment of being is the sentiment of being strong... such energy as contrives that the centre shall hold, that the circumference of the self keep unbroken, that the person be an integer, impenetrable, perdurable, and autonomous in being if inot in action."

marina and the diamonds | the family jewels | identity | personality | realism | authenticity | lionel trilling

WuTang1 e1395794252557

Once upon a time

"Music was now an object that could be owned by the individual and used at his own convenience... Now the Symphony of a Thousand could play to an audience of one. Now a man could hear nocturnes at breakfast, vespers at noon, and the Easter Oratorio on Channukah. He could do his morning crossword to 'One O'Clock Jump', and make love right through the St Matthew Passion. Anything was possible; nothing was sacred; freedom was absolute. It was the freedom, once the cathedral of culture had been wrecked, to take home the bits you liked and arrange them as you please. Once again, a mechanical invention had met capitalism's need to recreate all of life in its image. The cathedral of culture was now a supermarket."

Evan Eisenberg, 1987

wu-tang clan | shaolin | age of mechanical reproduction | aura | ritual | art | artists


Tomorrow's Harvest

"What if I tell you now that I have often longed even for plays I have seen performed - frequently the very ones which bored me most - or for books I have read in the past and did not like at all? If that is not madness, there's no such thing."



Hold to the Difficult

"And you must not let yourself be misled, in your solitude, by the fact that there is something in you that wants to escape from it. This very wish will, if you use it quietly and pre-eminently and like a tool, help to spread your solitude over wide country. People have (with the help of convention) found the solution of everything in ease, and the easiest side of ease; but it is clear that we must hold to the difficult; everything living holds to it, everything in nature grows and defends itself according to its own character and is an individual in its own right, strives to be so at any cost and against all opposition. We know little, but that we must hold to the difficult is a certainty that will not leave us; it is good to be solitary, for solitude is difficult; the fact that a thing is difficult must be one more reason for our doing it."

Rainer Maria Rilke, 1904

rainer maria rilke | kate bush


Always music in the air

'Acousmatic, the Larousse dictionary tells us, is the 'name given to the disciples of Pythagoras who for five years, listened to his teachings while he was hidden behind a curtain, without seeing him, while observing a strict silence.' Hidden from their eyes, only the voice of their master reached the disciples.... In ancient times, the apparatus was a curtain; today, it is the radio and methods of reproduction, along with the entire set of electro-acoustic transformations, that place us, modern listeners to an invisible voice, under similar conditions.'

Pierre Schaeffer, 'Acousmatics', 1966

pierre schaeffer | musique concrete | sonorous objects | acousmatics | pythagoras | phenomenology | twin peaks | red room


Music Sounds Better

'Imagine a traveller from a hundred years ago arrives at our doorstep and asks us why the music of the 20th century operates so frequently on the basis of cyclic repetition. Not just the rap and dance genres of popular culture, but also minimalism - perhaps the single most viable strand of the Western art music tradition... why does so much of our music work this way? What kind of needs do these patterns satisfy?'

Susan McClary, 1999

stardust | daft punk | susan mcclary | minimalism | loop | chaka kahn | repetition